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Bill Wolfe, DDS, NMD, International Speaker

Month 4, Week 4

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Kevin: Okay.

Robyn: Hello Kevin. Are running into the...

Kevin: Yeah, we’re good.

Robyn: We’re good?

Kevin: [laughs]

Robyn: Alright. Hi everyone, and welcome to the final day of month four of the Self-Care Revolution, and we’re so excited for our last two speakers for this month. And, we’re going to be joined today by Dr. Bill Wolfe. Hi there Dr. Wolfe. How are you today?

Bill: Well I’m doing well, thank you. I appreciate being here, Robyn.

Robyn: Great. So, my name is Robyn Benson, and I’m a doctor of Oriental Medicine and founder of Santa Fe Soul Health and Healing Center and I’m co-hosting with…

Kevin: Kevin Snow – the desert shaman, and I’m happy to be here today. I’m excited to hear what Dr. Wolfe has to share.

Robyn: I know. This is going to be an information content hour for sure. So, we are in month four, as I mentioned. This has been all about unleashing your brainpower. We started the month off with Michael Gelb, who is an author of many best-selling books. And we also heard from Dr. Jim Quick, who taught us the 10 self-care steps that I think we are still practicing, right Kevin? Did you memorize those steps?

Kevin: Absolutely, the parking garage, the secretary, the fish.

Robyn: That’s great. And then we also heard from Dr. Thomas Bryan, who talked about the impact of gluten and how much people truly have a sensitivity or are allergic to gluten – how much that impacts your brainpower. So, we’re going to be ending our month with Dr. Wolfe, also, Dr. Pamela Costello, who will follow Dr. Wolfe. And we’re just gonna find out about genistry, and from a biological standpoint, and then also, we’re going to hear from Dr. Costello who is going to talk about toxicity and how that affects our brain capacity. And she’s a neurosurgeon, so we can’t wait to introduce you to her shortly. But right now, I want to introduce Dr. Wolfe, who is a dentist, a board certified naturopathic physician, and an international speaker. His speaking engagements include The British Homeopathic Dental Association, The International College of Applied Kinesiology and the International Association of Oral Medicine and Toxicology, The Royal Society of Medicine to name just a few. Dr. Wolfe focuses on biological dentistry which includes the principles of electro-acupuncture, kinesiology, and homeopathy. So once again welcome, so much Dr. Wolfe we really love having you here and we appreciate you taking the time out of your busy schedule.

Kevin: Yes, thank you.

Bill: I’m pleasured to be here. It’s always good to talk with you about a subject that I live every day, about how the teeth affect the total health of your body. And it’s something that most people may have heard about, but really don’t know anything really more than just some rumor that there is a relationship between your teeth and your total health. So perhaps we can talk a little more specifically today about that.

Robyn: Good so why don’t we start our whole interview with you, we’ll get questioned. I mean, maybe give us a little bit of background on your history as a dentist and how you got to become known as a biological dentist. And I must say I was just at a conference where I met many of your colleagues, just two weeks ago, who hold you in such high esteem. And I must say to all who are listening to us. This is such an integral part of one’s well-being, is dental health and certainly with the self-care message. So with that I’ll just leave it up to you to continue the conversation and then Kevin and I have lots of questions as you continue.

Bill: Okay, very good. First of all, let me say that I was very privileged in my journey. And it was my own health journey, because I was very sick in the 70’s; that’s how I got into this. I’ll talk a little bit more about that in a moment, but I’ve been very privileged to have some very, very wonderful teachers myself. One of which was Dr. Rhynhold Voll, V-o-l-l, who was my German professor, and he was an MD, PHD… Developed the system of electro-acupuncture according to Voll, EAV, and he used to say that 90% of all chronic disease has an orientation in the mouth.

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: He says that you have an amazing immune system bank account. How do you want to spend it? Do you want to spend it on your mouth – and that was back in 1980, I would sit there and listen to him. And since that time I have found that his chart that relates the teeth to the organs, to the spinal segments to the glands and such – which is on my website,, D-R-W-O-L-F-E-DOT-COM. The Teeth to Body Relationship Chart. It’s exactly right on. I had one of his electro-acupuncture instruments for many, many years, and proved these relationships to be exactly true – that you do have stomach teeth, that you do have large intestine teeth, liver teeth, lung teeth, etc. And if there is a problem with that tooth, if that tooth is an energetic interference field, maybe it has a bio incompatible material like mercury amalgam filing. It could be a composite that’s not compatible. It could be decay, it could be a dead tooth, it could be a residual infection. It could be something as simple as periodontal disease and a cavity. It could be obstructing the energetic flow of that acupuncture meridian that runs through the head. You know, we have these energetic pathways – the meridian field that runs throughout your body – but most people accept that, but what they don’t realize is this intricacy also runs through your head, and the teeth affect the energy flow of those meridians to distant areas of the body. And if that tooth is blocking that energy flow and energetic focus, as Dr. Voll used to say, then those distant areas can be affected. They’re not energetically nourished, they’re not as healthy as they could be, and who’s looking back to a tooth for that?

You know, in the Western society we’re symptom oriented, if you have a physical symptom we have a pill for that, and if there’s a side-effect from that we have another pill for that. So, we get in treating symptoms, but in energetic medicine we keep retracing and trying to go back to the basic interference field and the energetic matrix that is the prelude to the physical symptom. In dentistry, there’s a tremendous amount of opportunity to look at the totality of the health of the human organism through the mouth, through the meridian system. In other words, I can affect the large intestine, the stomach, etc. through the mouth because those meridians are running inter-orally. And we routinely check and make sure that meridian is clear when we work on the tooth. We give homeopathic injections to stimulate the meridian. Let me go back even further than that, Dr. Voll was my major teacher, but I was a dental assistant back in Austin, TX when I was a teenager, and I’m working for my father’s best friend who’s a dentist. And I’m 14 years old, and I’m sitting there and we’re mixing up mercury fillings. Now, they call them silver fillings or amalgams, but they’re really 50% mercury. They’re only 30% silver, and then 10 zinc-copper. So let’s just call them what they are – they’re mercury fillings. So, we used to mix these by hand, and I would ring out the excess mercury once the mercury’s mixed with the metallic portion – the amalgamation of the silver, tin, the zinc-copper. And I would play with the little mercury droplets on the counter after I handed the amalgam to the dentist to place in the child’s mouth. And the dentist looked over at me and he said, “Don’t do that. That’s a poison.”

Kevin: Mmm.

Bill: I looked at him and said, “Poison? Well, why are we putting it in the kid’s mouth?”

Bill: He said, “Well that’s different.”

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: So. But yeah, when I had the excess scrap, left over, he had me put it in a tightly sealed container underwater and take it down the hall to the room that we normally didn’t use and hide it. Along with all the other scraps of amalgam and we sold it to some refiner once a month. I also remember that the mercury that I used, to fill up this dispensing jar, came out of a larger jar that had a skull and cross-bones on it that said do, do not touch.

Bill: And I went home and I asked my father about this and he said “Oh Doctor Smith should know, he’s a doctor, he knows.” So

Kevin: Hmm.

Bill: That was when I was fourteen.

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: But I’m in dental school, in 1968, my first year, I remember asking about this. About the mercury and silver fillings in my textbook, it said the mercury content of amalgalm fillings is 50 to 70 percent!

Kevin: Oh, okay.

Bill: I underlined that, I still have that same book. And they said “Oh, that’s an old wives tale. There’s nothing to it. Don’t worry about it.” So, I was a mercury dentist my first few years in Austin, Texas. And, I was just like everybody else. Only, one day, I discovered I had a tumor. And it was a, a very large tumor in my throat.

Kevin: Hmm.

Bill: And after I had my tumor surgery I wanted to find out how I could not have a tumor again because no one could tell me why it was there. They said it was there and it needed to go away. So, I went on a health quest for myself. And I went to a balancing body chemistry seminar given by Dr. Hal Huggins, who’s the real hero of mercury free dentistry in this country. And this was back in….

Robyn: I just wanna make sure, this you, you’re talking about, right? You had a tumor, in your throat?

Bill: Yes, uh-huh.

Robyn: Okay, I thought I woulda knew about this. I thought I knew, I thought I knew most everything. Okay.

Bill: And so, when I went to his course, Dr. Huggins had me hold my hands up to a mercury vapor tester, this is an OSHA industrial unit. And I had mercury vapor coming out of the skin of my hands. Now I had been out of the office for three days. Four days. So it took me about five seconds to become a mercury free dentist. I didn’t know what to do, I mean, I could only talk to one other dentist, Dr. Huggins. I didn’t even know anybody that was mercury free. But I knew I couldn’t do that anymore.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: So, that was in ’79. So, that was quite a quest to begin for me. It was, at that time. It’s interesting in life how sometimes we label things as bad and then we get down the road a bit and we look back and say “That was the best thing that’s ever happened to me.” So I labeled it blessing now because since then I’ve spoken all over the world, I’ve influenced a lot of dentists and have made a lot of health changes in my life. And it was an absolute blessing it happened. I studied in Europe, that was the only thing I knew to do at the time. I couldn’t find out the information that I needed in this country.

Kevin: Mm.

Bill: So I ended up studying electro acupuncture, homeopathy, radionage, kinesiology, and, detoxification etc. So, since then, 1979, 1980, I’ve gone through a lot of transitions in what we do for patients, but basically we try to get the mouth cleaned up as an interference field. We biocompatibility test materials before they go into the mouth to make sure that we’re not just trading one immune insult for another immune system insult. And we free up the acupuncture meridians so that the meridians are flowing. So it’s, it’s a process, of really peeling an onion. Once the first layer of the onion and then the next layer and the next layer. And then after we clean up the mouth it’s just so necessary to have follow up to find out where the person is systemically with their heavy metals. And I know Robyn, in your clinic you do this, Dr. Hart in Santa Fe does this, Dr. Costello in Albuquerque does this. I’ll do heavy metal screening tests, a provocation test where you take a chelator, do a urine catch, find out where the patient is with lead, mercury, arsenic, uranium etc. and then chelate those specific metals. Whether you use iv vehiculation, or herbal, homeopathic, energetic, just to get the body to release those stores of heavy metals that have been accumulated for years.

Kevin: Uh, yeah, that’s a…

Robyn: Well it’s true though that, Dr. Wolfe, that most of the American ways in within dentistry has not really been believed that heavy metals are toxic.

Bill: Yes. I mean, back in 1826 we started using mercury amalgam in this country. In 1840, in this country, the parent organization for dentistry was the American Society for Dental Surgeons, and you used to have to sign a pledge not to place mercury fillings, back in 1840. And, I believe it was in 1859 the American Dental Association was formed, and they adopted the silver-mercury amalgam filling as the filling of choice. Of course, they had patents on it and that’s what’s been endorsed all these years. For some reason, mercury – which is known to be an environmental pollutant, and a poison in the environment, more toxic than lead or arsenic, not as bad as plutonium but next to it – is safe to put in the mouth but it’s unsafe outside of the mouth. If I take a scrap of amalgam out of the mouth and throw it into the trash can, I can be fined $10,000 from the Environmental Protection Agency.

Kevin: Mm.

Bill: And so, we have to take very careful care and dispose of properly our scraps amalgam, but it’s safe in the mouth… we’re told. Now, that’s mercury toxic thinking right there.

Kevin: Yeah. But it is incredible, and I think you know, just the way that you explain it, it, it’s just shocking that it’s been allowed to go on this long. But, and again, there must be some studies that say that it’s okay, right?

Bill: Well, if you’re just trying to prove your beliefs, you can design studies that will…

Kevin: Right.

Bill: You know? There are, there is plenty of research out there with radioactively tagged mercury in animals, how it’s been distributed throughout the body. The first gland to be hit is the thyroid, in 4 minutes in dogs. There’s numerous studies, a lot of these are on my website, even, and the links that we have to the International Association of Oral Medicine & Toxicology (IAOMT). That link is on my website:, and the scientific proof of why not to use mercury fillings, and the studies are complete. The T4 and T8 lymphocyte studies, the animal studies, etc. Just vapor in itself, I’ve got a mercury vapor tester, here in the office, I’ve had one, I’ve had a couple of them, I’ve gone through them. It’s an industrial unit that we measure the vapor that come out of people’s fillings. Back in the 70s, you know, people didn’t believe, number one, there was mercury in their fillings. They said, “No, my doc told me it was a silver filling. Well that’s true, silver’s a component but not the major component, and we used to use this mercury… I believe I was the second dentist in the U.S. besides Dr. Huggins, to have a mercury vapor tester, and we used to measure the vapor coming off of teeth. And, I used to write letters to OSHA and FDA. I still have copies of the responses. I remember one response from OSHA, this is back in ’84. I asked them, I said, “Is the mercury vapor I’m measuring in the mouth, inter-orally, the same vapor that is pronounced an environmental poison, extra-orally – outside of the mouth, and the regional administrator wrote me back and said, the letter said, “Not only is it the same, but the potential toxicity for the inter-orally mercury much greater, due to the roots of absorption, inhalation, and ingestion. So back then, 1984, the American Dental Association at that time didn’t admit that any mercury came out of these fillings, yet OSHA was on top of it and knew that, that vapor was excreted from the fillings. I mean metal – mercury, is the only metal that is liquid at room temperature, and it vaporizes very easily at body temperature, all the life of the filling. Because I did a study for a few years trying to relate the amount of mercury vapor coming out of fillings to the age and the size of the filling, there was no correlation.

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: So, a 20-year old filling had just as much coming out of it as a 5-year old filling, especially after you chew gum. It raised the vapor pressure of the mercury 10 times, and we get readings out of one tooth, many times, that are higher than what they can fine you for in OSHA. In OSHA standards, the threshold limit value is 50 micro-grams per cubic meter of air.

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: Now, coming to your plant and finding that much, you’ve had a mercury spill, a $10,000 fine, close your plant down. I get higher than that out of one tooth.

Kevin: Wow. That’s incredible about chewing gum as well. I think that’s, that’s really amazing. You do a process where you remove these, and can you explain that a little bit?

Bill: Well, if the patient requests that, what we do first of all, we biocompatibility check the patient to make sure about the resins, the composites, the ceramics, anesthetics, everything that’s going to be used to replace the mercury fillings. And then we do it, usually by the quadrant. But, protecting the patient’s very important and we have a mercury vapor vacuum unit that comes over from the face and high-speed evacuation tubes that fit over the top of the tooth, it’s a specially designed box that fits over the tooth to catch the debris. We also have an alternative air source. The patient’s breathing through the nose and we strongly recommend an IV vitamin C. I’ve been doing that for 30 years. The vitamin C is a ligand that attracts heavy metals.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: It really protects the patient while they’re in the chair. One of our nurses does this. So, we’re not detoxifying chelating, we’re just protecting. And I have had many experiences where the patient at one time says, “You know, I don’t want the IV this time” just to save some expense. Well, they usually wish they’d had it, because they had a little tougher time after the point with detoxifying. And so it’s strongly recommended, I know those physicians that refer to me to have this done for their patients strongly recommend IV vitamins Cs while the patient’s in the chair.

Robyn: What do you recommend besides, in addition to vitamin C in terms of oral chelators?

Bill: Well if they’re gonna take oral vitamin C... , not right before the visit because that inhibits the anesthesia. But, you know, to take you know 20 grams or 15 grams, or whatever you’re giving IV orally, I mean you, you really couldn’t do that very effectively without having severe GI problems. So you can, you know, get a lot more into the patient while they’re having their mercury exposure, if we do it chair-side. And of course, then afterwards, certainly take oral vitamin C and all the you know, recommended supplements, etc. But it’s something that we’re not trying to... We’re just trying to protect the patient. We turn them over to the appropriate physicians for detoxifying afterwards. And whether that be glutathione, DMSA, DMPS, or all of the various supplements, that’s, up to the physician. But we just wanna do a good job of safely removing the amalgams. But there’s a lot of vaporization taking these things out. I mean, they’re, they’re vaporizing just sitting there, but when you start drilling on them they really vaporize. So we’re wearing gas masks, I mean we get very serious about this.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And we need to be very careful. The American Dental Association, really has not, irrespective of dental patients, of course we know, promoting the use of mercury fillings is, unconscionable to me. But, you know, just to dentists and, and, staff... Just how to protect yourself and knowing that these things are a health hazard in the work place that you’re exposed to on a day-to-day basis. I don’t, haven’t placed a mercury filling since 1979, but I’ve gotta take ‘m out. And there’s more vapor taking them out than putting them in. So we need to be very careful.

Kevin: What are some of the symptoms that, some of the basic symptoms, that people might recognize from, from this vapor?

Bill: Everybody can express, you know, immune dysfunction in their own way and…

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: Whether there’s depression, anxiety, fatigue, irritability, are commonly known with mercury on an environmental basis. But depending on your genetic predisposition, your weaknesses, if your immune system is overwraught then you might have innumerable symptoms. I certainly don’t wanna get into anecdotal stories..

Kevin: Right.

Bill: But these things are all over the internet, as far as heavy metal poisoning and what those can be. But you know it’s an underlying thing that even starts when you’re born because if your mother had mercury fillings... You don’t ever need to have a mercury filling in your mouth and you can still be mercury toxic.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: It’s passed in utero.

Kevin: Wow. I’m looking at the chart on your website with the piece on their relationship to the organs. That’s definitely recommending people go to the website, your website, and check this chart out, because it is… I have one particular tooth that gives me trouble, and it’s right in line… This chart is definitely showing that the stomach, the thyroid is connected to this one tooth. So…

Bill: Yeah, and you know what Kevin, it’s not… Are you still there?

Kevin: Yes, mmhm.

Bill: It’s not just that the tooth affects the organ, but the organ can affect the tooth.

Kevin: Wow. That’s great.

Bill: And we’ve had many cases of like a lower molar, if you look on that chart, look at the lower molars. You see, that’s the large intestine and lung tube, pair of meridians…

Kevin: Right.

Bill: …and it’s also lumbar – low back…

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: …shoulder. All these areas are on the same energy pathway, and sometimes when I don’t see a problem with the tooth, we can give a patient enzymes…

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: …probiotics, and the dental problem from the tooth calms down, because in Chinese medicine, pain is blocked energy flow. And so, if we restore the energy flow, things, the physical sometimes just balances out and it’s not just [inaudible].

Robyn: I’d love to share a personal story. I’m a patient of Dr. Wolfe, and I had… I remember, I had a very traumatized tooth. I actually had a root canal and through kinesiology Bill was able to determine… There were so many issues with that tooth that was chronic infection going on. So, my health has been impact… It has gotten so much better, I have to tell you that. I don’t even know how much I’ve really reflected that back to you, but it’s amazing just everything, from… In fact, I think it pertained to my intestinal area, which really wasn’t the problem. But I think what happened is that I felt like my immune system was constantly stressed. That’s what I noticed, even though I’m rarely sick, it was just a constant… So again, it’s amazing how much dentistry affects every aspect of your life, really. If you don’t have good, if you don’t have a healthy tooth and it’s chronically infected or there’s mercury in it, like you’re sharing, it’s impacting you.

Bill: Yes, and Robyn, it could be a byproduct too. We do a lot of work with TMJ issues here.

Robyn: Oh, that’s right. You do.

Bill: And, you know, if you have a deflective contact on a tooth and when you close, which is every 30 seconds when you swallow, that’s when you close your teeth the most, and you hit a tooth just minutely before you touch the other teeth, and it hit and slides and that tooth gets more pressure than the other teeth, you can actually shut down that meridian. Every 30 seconds you’re banging that tooth, and ceasing the energy flow to those organs.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: So, it really is a very delicate instrument. I mean, your teeth are part of your body. What a unique concept, huh?

Bill: It’s, we are all one piece. And then we talk about other issues in dentistry that doesn’t seem to exist if you talk to a routine dentistry, as far as the associations, as far as electro-galvanism, to similar metals in the mouth. You know, we use a lot of alloys and metals that really, the dentist just asks the lab to make a crown, a portion of a gold crown or a gold crown. Well gold can’t be gold, you can’t use 24 karat gold in your mouth, it’s too soft. What do you alloy it with – palladium, platinum, unfortunately sometimes – a lot of times, nickel, and these dissimilar metals play out with something called electro-galvanism, which is dissimilar metals’ current flow in the mouth, and whenever you have a current, you have a circumferential electromagnetic field and that’s the big disturbance on the meridians. We are an energetic being with a physical body, and when we disturb the homeostasis – the balance of those energetic matrices that run through the mouth, then, we have distant physical symptoms, but they’re not related to dentistry. So, you know, this is not anything that... You can’t say that “my dentist didn’t tell me that.” Well, he wasn’t taught that in dental school, and I probably would be talking about this today if I hadn’t gotten sick and studied with some brilliant people. But, it’s just something the more I find out about this, the more I learn and the more I realize I don’t know. Thank God. And, you know, just keep digging and digging and digging, but the sad thing is that this conversation has been going on since the 1800s.

Kevin: Right.

Bill: I have old dental books, old articles. There’s an old dental magazine called the Dental Cosmos, and in my seminar book, when I was teaching seminars... I used to have these old articles to show dentists these are not new conversations, sadly enough. They were talking about electricity in the mouth back in 1880. They were talking about vocal infections and distant effects in 1893.

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: Mercury fillings, had to sign the pledge not to place them in 1840. So why we’re still having this conversations is incomprehensible. You would think that we’d progress to the point that we can rationally sit back, look at this and say, “Okay, up until now, this has been our best thinking. Knowing what we know now, what do we do?”

Kevin: Yes, and you’ve got some information on your website about fluoride as well. Could you talk a little bit about fluoride?

Bill: Ah fluoride… You know, there’s so many stories about fluoride. I haven’t ever used fluoride in my practice, there’s no need for it, just keep your teeth clean. But you know, there’s a lot of information on the website, conspiracy theories, all this… I won’t even get into that, but that calcium, fluoride and calcium… Fluoride is actually, leaches calcium. And I feel that fluoride in the water actually does help create osteoporosis.

Kevin: Okay, alright.

Bill: Calcium & fluoride are very attractive, and there have been studies done in cities where… in fluoridated cities had more osteoporotic hip fractures in the elderly than non-fluoridated cities.

Kevin: Mm, okay.

Bill: Now, there’s information on this on the website, but it’s something that is, is… I’m not saying that fluoride doesn’t imbrittle bone, and that’s the problem, it imbrittles it – not just your teeth, but all the bones in your body. And, we really don’t need fluoride. It really… There’s all kinds of stories about where it came from and why we’re using it, is it a by-product of aluminum mining, sodium fluoride, stannous fluoride, which is tin stannous, and why we were wanting to use this. The story goes back a long ways and has deeply corrupting roots to it, also, as does mercury. So, just, just keep your teeth clean. That’s what you need to do.

Kevin: And you’ve got some products on your website as well.

Bill: Oh yes, yes. So, well that’s…

Robyn: You’ve got some great goodies. We love your products.

Bill: That’s a good lead-in right there, because the reason I developed the toothpaste I developed was because I wanted a non-fluoridated toothpaste in 1981 or 2, or whenever it was, and I had developed an Aloe Vera oral gel product that, with my oral pathology professor at Baylor College of Dentistry, back in, I think it was ’80. And this is an aloe product that I use to desensitize teeth, exposed teeth, exposed roots, gingivitis, irritated gums, ulcerations. We did studies on bacterialcidal studies with plaque, dental plaque, strep mutan and dental plaque. We did anti-inflammatory studies. We did virusirol studies and developed a stabilization formula for the Aloe Vera using the antioxidants that allowed us not to use the standard preservatives. So, anyway, that’s my oral gel we use in surgery. It’s what we use as a toothpaste, and it’s what people use in their mouth after any dental procedure we do here.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: So, I started developing toothpaste. I have a homeopathic toothpaste, no fluoride. I have an enzymed toothpaste energized with frequencies.

Kevin: Hm.

Bill: And that’s aloe, no fluoride. And then I have 16 other products that are on my website. Homeopathic products, to pain products to skincare products. The crystals of neurotransmitter frequencies, turn-your-brain-on products. So that’s really my mad scientist side. That...

Kevin: That’s great!

Bill: I enjoy a lot. And I was going to mention a while ago. On the chart that they’ll see when they go to the website.

Kevin: Yeah.

Bill: It’s in various forms, I’ve taken Dr. Voll’s original work and I’ve condensed it a little bit because the original work was quite... Involved with everything that’s affected by the mouth. But a few years ago Shirley McClaine, the movie actress, who’s a patient of mine, came across the chart. And, even in, her quest, in health for all of her life, had never heard of this. And so, she called me and we had a meeting and ended up collaborating with her on a book. Uh, Staging While Aging

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: I’m on page 76. And there’s a chapter in there on dentistry and how she benefitted from the dentistry that we did for her. And she put that chart in the back of the book. And it’s a very, very condensed chart. Much, easier to read than the Voll’s one on my website.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: So if people have that book or wanna get that book, in the back is a very easier to read chart that I did for her.

Kevin: Excellent. You talk a little about muscle testing. And could you explain that a little bit about how you apply the kinesiology to your…

Bill: You know it’s been interesting to me how the major changes I’ve made in my life have been because of my own personal dramas. Health dramas.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And I guess some of us need a little bit more drama in order to change. I dunno, but I became a mercury free dentist because I was very ill and I learned about kinesiology because I was in a motorcycle accident. And I had a concussion.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And no one, this was back in 1975, so this was even before I became mercury free.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And no one could figure out why I was having such headaches and... I had a, uh, just the routine work ups – cat scans and neurologists, etc. And, um, I’m still having headaches. And at that time I was not, uh, chiropractors were not part of my life. And I met a chiropractor and he said “I understand you’re having some headaches.” And I said “Ohh yes, uh, I do. Periodically.” And he just reached right around and touched my C-2. Cervical two vertebra and I just about went to my knees.

Kevin: Mm.

Bill: And uh, he said “I think I can help you.” [laughs]

Robyn: Wow.

Bill: And I said “I think I’m open, okay!” So I went to see him. I had a reverse curvature of my cervical vertebra and no one picked it up. And he worked on me, worked on me, and he taught me muscle testing. Which is a way to access information from the body through, asking questions through, with energy questions, and getting a physical response. And so whether you’re having somebody hold a supplement and seeing if they’re, that brings up their energy or depletes their energy. Or whether you’re touching a vertebra, or touching a tooth. Um, I’ve got a whole video on this if, uh, people wanna go to, uh, my website. Look under “videos” um

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: I’ve got a video there on how to muscle test, how I muscle test, how I muscle test teeth.

Kevin: Great!

Bill: To find out which tooth is the problem, you don’t have to be a dentist to do this.

Kevin: M-hm.

Bill: I mean dentistry doesn’t even acknowledge this. So this isn’t dentistry, this is just asking the body questions. And how then we can determine which is the culprit tooth, what is the problem with that tooth. And I’ve got a whole test kit that I developed that whichever homeopathic makes you strong is the issue. So, kinesiology’s a wonderful way to... To uh... For people, to ask their body questions. Whether it’s at the store, at Whole Foods, or at one of those that supplement good for me. And you might just, you know, hold it in one hand and have your partner, you know, muscle test you and find out.

Kevin: Huh.

Bill: If you’re by yourself, there are ways to do muscle testing, you know, with yourself. With your hands, with your fingers.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: Or use a pendulum, like I do.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: But you know, the body responds to energetic questions immediately and very honestly if we ask the right question. We just have to keep asking the best question. Is this my highest health or…..

Kevin: Yeah.

Bill: You know, what is the situation that we’re really trying to probe here? And not “Should I do this, or should I do that?” because, that’s, that’s real non-specific. But……..

Kevin: Right.

Bill: Be very precise in the question. And practice. Practice, practice. On the website I give a drawing on to, you know. Step by step, on how to get with somebody and just practice feeling how much pressure to apply. And practice yes or no. Of just yes you’ll get a strong positive. And a no, the arms could get weak. Practice with sugar. Hold sugar, and that usually depletes people’s energy. Unless they’re hypoglycemic in that moment, but most people it depletes energy. And salt will bring you up. So it’s just a matter of knowing, you know, what, how you want the body to respond to your questions. And teaching the body, train the body to respond this way. And I use kinesiology all day long. Every day in my practice.

Kevin: It’s really

Bill: It’s invaluable.

Kevin: It really is. And I, I mean I use it in my practice as well and I think, you know, it still has a bit of this, you know, what you would call “woo woo” but... You know, the more doctors that come on and talk about this as, as a viable way to have the body talk to them, I really, it’s so important for people to hear this message. That….

Robyn: And don’t you think that’s the ultimate self-care?

Kevin: Yeah.

Robyn: I mean, knowing your body can give you your own answer. You know?

Kevin: Definitely.

Robyn: From people you don’t even trust, that really [inaudible 40:04-40:06]

Bill: And, you know, you can just train your body ‘show me a yes’ and my body leans forward.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: ‘Show me a no.’ it leans back. And just focus on your body. Ask it to demonstrate it to you, what is yes? What is no?

Kevin: Right.

Bill: And so you could be talking to somebody even.

Kevin: M-hm.

Bill: And you know, be asking yourself “Is what they’re telling me true?” Kevin: Right, right, right?

Bill: And once you…

Robyn: Can you talk a little bit about the connection? You know, the bigger picture here. You know, teeth health. And also cancer. Like when, well when somebody has, a you know, pretty serious diagnosis, maybe it’s even autoimmune disease. How teeth might be something that you might need to look to. And that’s not usually the first approach. Like an average doctor would not necessar-, or an oncologist, in this country would not look to teeth but can you talk about how critical that is, to, to correct.

Bill: Well, we have a lot of people come to us that have some major health issues. Usually referred by physicians that refer to us. And either they’ve already been told by their physician or they have read, and they wanna be mercury free first of all, and they request that. But we also will look at other issues in the mouth. Are there dead teeth? Are there root canals? That is another whole source of, you know, conversation that goes back to the 1800’s. About Dr. Voll used to turn these teeth cadavers in the mouth.

Kevin: Mm. Wow.

Bill: If there were a dead toe, it got amputated. But in dentistry, we keep dead body parts. Now, 20% of our practice, years ago, used to be root canals. I used to do a lot of them. I stopped 20, 25 years ago.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: The concern, being that the potential toxicity of having this dead body part that used to be self but now it’s non-self. And that, whenever the body can’t metabolize something it isolates it with inflammation.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And that inflammatory core is what is the disturbance field that inhibits that acupuncture meridian flow. So energetically there’s a problem. Toxicity there’s a problem because even though the root canals fill very expertly, the central canals are filled, there’s still mouths of dentinal tubules running through the tooth laterally that can’t be sterilized.

Kevin: Awe, okay.

Bill: And this research goes back a long ways. Goes back to La Malenda Dental School in the early part of the 1900’s. Steinman, Dr. Steinman was a professor there. And his fluid flow theories was in the 1930’s and 40’s. And then Weiston Price was a dentist that talked about the price of root canals was that Dr. Huggins wrote about his research. About taking a diseased root canal tooth from an arthritic patient. Extracting it, implanting it under the skin of a rabbit and the rabbit would develop the same symptoms that that patient had. So, those are pretty remarkable things.

Kevin: Yeah.

Bill: That happened a long time ago that have not been paid attention to. Now, when people come in that already have root canals, you’ve already got it. I’m not saying it needs to be taken out, I’m saying it needs to be tested.

Kevin: Yeah.

Bill: And so we’ll test it on the meridian and see if it’s a meridian block. And if it is we’ll test it with various homeopathics to see if maybe we can inject that tooth and free up the inflammatory inflammation around the tooth and create an environment that the tooth can not cause such a disturbance. However, if that tooth is on a meridian on an organ in trouble then it has to be the patient’s decision …

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: To just get it out of there. Now I’ve had four teeth taken out of me that needed root canals. And I, I didn’t want one.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: So I’ve got bridges instead. I’m glad I made the choice. But it’s just another thing in dentistry that you know, is a big controversy. You know, I see the results of cleaning up people’s mouths and getting these diseased, these chronically diseased teeth out of the head. You know, maybe one root canal – your immune system’s just fine. Two, there’s a liability. You get three or four, you know, some people some people have a lot of root canals. That’s using up a lot of immune system in my view point.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And also blocking a lot of energetics of the mouth. There’s another issue. There’s so many controversies in dentistry..

Kevin: Right?

Bill: It’s like a big soap opera. There’s…

Robyn: You know honestly just, you know, being a doctor of Oriental Medicine all these years and knowing… This is actually something I learned in school. I learned about this dental chart and the meridian system and the correlation between teeth and health, but it’s amazing how much I’ve really seen when people have breast cancer if you look at the… that they do in fact have problems with the tooth that correlates to the area of the body. The people with a chronic epidemic nature of gastro-intestinal problems in the back molars, or have prostate issues, all of it. So, it’s… there is definitely a correlation.

Bill: Yeah, and Robyn, all the rear, posterior teeth are either stomach or large intestine.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: The lower bicuspids and the lower molars, they’re bicuspids on the bottom, are stomach teeth and the molars are large intestines teeth are on the top. It’s just reversed. The molars are stomach and the upper bicuspids are large intestine. The meridians cross there. And of course, this is German acupuncture not oriental. So… But the point being, every rear tooth has an interrelationship with digestion.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And…

Robyn: Exactly.

Bill: Yeah.

Robyn: And we’ve got a question coming in, lots of questions, a very basic question: what is, you know, based on your years – your expertise, what is the best self-care for this woman out there? What’s the best way for her to take care of her mouth and her teeth on a day to day basis? Because there’s some people now who don’t even floss. What is your feeling?

Bill: Well, the number one thing that even the American Dental Association agrees with me on this, that the bacteria in your mouth is the most… it’s the dirtiest place in the body, as far as bacteria count goes. This bacteria gets into your blood supply. The mouth is very vascular, and through sublegal absorption through the mucosa the bacteria go throughout your body. The process is called bacteremia, and this bacteria can get in the [Venus 47:44] system and just go anywhere in the body, and it’s related to heart problems, strokes, some premature birth, some obesity, and all these things that the research was done at Johns Hopkins University. And it’s just, the cleaner you keep your mouth the healthier you’re going to be. So, you’ve got to do that. You’ve got to have regular cleanings. You’ve got to floss every day, and keep the plaque count down. So, I mean other than that, you’ve got to make a good choice on questions to discuss with your dentist about the materials that go into your mouth, and have a session on, you know, what are the best materials and what has he found to be the best, healthiest thing to do. Like right now, we’re not doing any metals, not even porcelain to gold crowns. We do all the cast porcelain bonded crowns, whether their emax – is a name for one of them, zirconium is another one, and we can even do long-span bridges. I have one in my mouth – zirconium, no metal. And the fillings I have are called the biocompatibility tested composites, also have some emax crowns – metal free crowns, because we don’t want the dissimilar metals to have a current flow between them, and they create a disturbance field, and the corrode. So, we want the new technology to… the technology is finally catching up to the needs of this kind of dentistry – to have a metal free, porcelain bonded dentistry.

Kevin: So, when you’re talking about the bacteria, is, so we’ve heard this very simple thing about sugar and creating cavities. Is there a truth to that? Is that something you can speak to?

Bill: Well, the sugar created a lower Ph. The bacteria, the strep mutans, ingest the sugar. It’s one of the things they love.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: And, it lowers the Ph and causes more demineralization of the tooth. That’s the classic explanation.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: Now, there are other explanations of why that would be the case and a little more involved. We don’t have time here, but it has to do with biochemistry

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: But, you want to keep your Ph as high as possible and sugar doesn’t do that, for sure, and it is a sub straight that the strep mutans and the bacteria thoroughly enjoy.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: I want to talk a little bit about cavitation.

Kevin: Yeah, yeah.

Robyn: Okay.

Bill: Cavitations are, that’s a laymen’s word for something called residual lostitus or chronic bacterialitis, osteitis, osteo boneitis, inflammation, but the bacterial component. And what this is it’s a residual legion in the mouth that was an unhealed area where a tooth was previously extracted, and in other words, we’ll see this a lot in wisdom tooth areas. Which the wisdom teeth are on the heart meridian, by the way, and small intestine.

Kevin: Wow.

Bill: So, it’s a crucial area. So, we’ll see, sometimes we’ll see it on the x-ray, sometimes you don’t see it on the x-ray, because it’s a little cavern in the jaw, but it has a boney wall on both sided of it. So, on a two dimensional x-ray, a lot of times you don’t see these things. Sometimes you, but dentists don’t know what they are. This is something else that’s not formally recognized.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: So, to really know what it is and document that it is there sometimes you have to do muscle testing, sometimes you have to do some diagnostic injections just to see if you inject this area if some of the symptoms that the patient was experiencing, usually related to that meridian, improve. So, what happened was that the tooth was infected or the tooth, when it was taken out, that the periodontal membrane was shredded completely, or the bone that was unhealthy bone has an unhealthy tooth that was removed and unhealthy bone wasn’t also taken out. That… The bone just never really healed, and so, there’s this place for bacteria to live in the jaw, and this bacteria, again, gets in your blood supply and also creates an energy disturbance field. A lot of times, you have to go back in and re-operate these areas. Open it back up and usually fall into a cavern when you put a burr through the bone it just falls into a hole. And so, you just clean it all out, get the bleeding started again, and start all over, basically from the day that the tooth was taken out. More and more I’m trying to do that less and less. [coughs] Excuse me. And inject these inject these areas with homeopathics and use a laser on them to see if we can’t re-establish energy flow vascularity.

Kevin: Oh, okay.

Bill: [coughs] So, perhaps you’ve heard of these Robyn? Do you, what do you do to acknowledge these with acupuncture?

Robyn: I’m having, I’m having a little bit of trouble hearing you from here. It’s my connection.

Bill: I was wondering…

Robyn: So all the listeners know, I’m in Mexico.

Bill: No, I was just curious as an acupuncturist that these jaw infections, chronic jaw infections, are really inhibiting the meridian flow.

Kevin: Yeah.

Bill: So, as an acupuncturist, I would think this would be something that, maybe when you notice in your pulse diagnosis that the pulse isn’t holding, you know the meridian’s blocked, or if there’s an infection in the jaw that, perhaps there’s a situation that you’ve run across that you can help by… with acupuncture, because that’s basically what I’m doing. I just trying to inject these things locally and re-establish energy flow.

Robyn: There’s so much you can do.

Bill: Yeah.

Robyn: Locally and even for that area of the body, you know, from the toe points to the head point. It’s amazing what, energetically, when that’s locked up and there’s not normal flow of oxygen to the tissue, how much that’s impacting. So, I look at the health of the jaw and all the things that we’re talking about. I always look at teeth no matter what indication somebody’s coming in with, what particular health issue.

Bill: Because, to the people listening, you don’t have to be a dentist to thing this way. Whatever… you don’t even have to be a health practitioner to do muscle testing, but I’m talking about even if you are a practicing oriental medicine and being you’re an acupuncturist, this is instrumental to the healing of the mouth and the jaw, the meridian, these issues that we’re talking about, re-establishing energy flow. Dentists are causing problems with these issues that are ignored, for other practitioners. And then, the chiropractor doesn’t know why his adjustment aren’t holding. Well, that’s because the jaw, the bite’s off.

Kevin: Okay.

Bill: You know, once we make a splint for people and get them in physiological rest position, get the TMJ joint in the disc, the adjustments hold. And then, another issue would be if there’s an energetic focus on the meridian, Robyn, and you’re wondering, “Well gee, I wonder why my acupuncture treatments aren’t, you know, she was fine when she left. Why is she not holding?”

Robyn: Yeah.

Bill: You know.

Robyn: It’s an integrated approach to helping people, and the health challenge is the way to go. You know, not just giving a pharmaceutical drug, but I mean getting to the energetic imbalances. Like you said, from the cervical spine to the help of the mouth, to all of it. All of it, and that too your diet. So this is why, you know, we were planning, creating the whole Self-Care Revolution. Early on we knew that we wanted to bring in… to bring you in and have this conversation, because it’s really one of the most important. You know, people are trying to be detectives and figure out, you know, what’s going on in the body – why do you get a certain infection, why are you having headaches, and very often this is the missing piece that people don’t look at it all in the health of the mouth.

Bill: Well…

Robyn: Great. This has been incredibly informative.

Bill: You used the right word there – detective, and that’s the way I view myself, a dental detective. I’m trying to…

Robyn: A what?

Bill: You know, just trying to be a detective and getting down to the core.

Robyn: Yes! Yes.

Bill: And your next speaker, Dr. Costello, has really put this together in a very wonderful way, being an MD, a neurosurgeon, and a P.H.D. neural scientist, and as much as she knows about dentistry also, and her new approaches to providing healing from, you know, heavy metals to Lyme disease, to etc. I think you’re going to have a very good conversation with her and how she approaches detoxification, because I just look at… You know, dentistry is only a piece of the puzzle, and sometimes, it’s just a huge missing piece. But, it is just a piece, and there’s so many other pieces that everyone needs to acknowledge. The body is a very complex instrument. It’s like an orchestra that when all the components, all the instruments – the horn section, the violin section, are playing harmoniously, that’s called health, but when one of them becomes out of tune and disharmonic, that’s called ill health. And we need to continually keep our body in tune with all these different pieces. People need to investigate and conclude from themselves anymore, not just depend on like one person to say this is the way it is, or one organization to say this is way it is. You know, you have to find out what’s best for you and what’s missing for you, and that’s really the true approach to health is becoming in tune with your body, and whether it’s learning how to muscle test, use the pendulum so you’re subconscious and you’re conscious can communicate better, all these things. It gives you a feeling of empowerment, which is health in itself, and it gives you hope. You know, hope is the driving force. Energy of health is the hopefulness of being better, a better day tomorrow.

Kevin: Oh, that’s excellent.

Robyn: Can we branch off? Kevin, did you have one more question [inaudible 59:09] up here. There’s so many more questions. My goodness, we’re just beginning here.

Kevin: There really is. I think what we’ll do is, again, our email address is and we’ll take some offline questions. Yeah, but I think as we’re finishing up, that was a great way to finish, actually, and an integrated way to lead into our next speaker.

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