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TSG-SA/WG5 (Telecom Management) meeting #3 TSGS5#3(99)057

Helsinki, Finland 4th – 7th May 1999 Page



Agenda Item: 6.1

Source: Chair

Title: Chairman's report of SA5 #2 meeting to Japan TSG-SA (#3) meeting

Document for: Information
Technical Specification Group Services and System Aspects TSGS#3(99)192

Meeting #3, Yokohama, Japan, 26-28 April 1999

Source: Chair, TSG-SA WG5

Title: SA5 #2 WG Meeting Report



Document for: Information, discussion and approval
3GPP TSG-SA WG5 (Telecom management)

#2 Working Group Meeting Report
16-18/3/99 Morristown, NJ, USA

  1. Attendance

15 Attendees from ETSI and T1 participating organizations attended the meeting. The detailed attendance information can be found in Annex 1 of this report.

  1. Meeting Schedule

The 3GPP TSG-SA WG5 (henceforth, SA5) met for three days mostly in plenary session starting at 9:00am Tuesday, March 16, 1999 and ending at 1:00pm Thursday, March 18, 1999 in Morristown, NJ, USA. The meeting included two sessions of rapporteur group discussion sessions for each of the work items owned by the WG. The plenary session was chaired by Mr. Albert H. Yuhan of Omnipoint (T1), the convenor of the working group (WG) and the rapporteur discussion sessions were presided by each work item rapporteurs. The agenda of the meeting is attached as Annex 2.

  1. Contributions

The meeting received and addressed 21 contributions, in which 2 incoming and 2 outgoing liaison statements were included. The titles and Tdoc numbers of all the contributions are listed in the table shown in Annex 3, with an indication of their disposition in the meeting.

  1. Achievements

The meeting proceeded producing the following results:

    1. The Chair, Mr. Yuhan, the Convenor, called the meeting to an order at 9:00am of Tuesday 16th, March 1999.

    2. Participants were registered to the meeting (cf. Annex 1).

    3. Initial contributions to the meeting were registered and attributed (cf. Annex 3).

    4. The agenda (Tdoc S5-99037) was reviewed and accepted as was drafted.

    5. The Chair acknowledged to the group the 3GPP’s policy of requiring its individual members to make an earliest possible disclosure of their relevant intellectual property right issues, and asked if there was any intellectual property right issue to be declared by any participants. No declaration was recorded.

    6. Reports from various relevant meetings were reported.

      1. [Fort Lauderdale TSG-SA #1 meeting report] The Convenor made to the meting a report (S5-99039) on the last Fort Lauderdale TSG-SA #1 meeting, which included the TSG-SA approval of SA5 proposals for two SA5 work items, revision of SA5 terms of reference and scope, SA5 WG name change. The Convenor also reported to the meeting the TSG-SA discouragement of SA5's plan of creating two subworking groups, one for each SA5 work item and the TSG-SA resolution of TSGS#2(99)067 which defined the work responsibility division of SA and other TSGs in the telecom management aspect of the 3G system.

      2. [Milan RAN3 O&M AHG meeting report] Delegates who attended the RAN3 O&M AHG Milan February meeting made verbal reports on the AHG meeting, in which RAN3 O&M AHG made its proposal to RAN3 regarding RAN3 WG's work scope and responsibility pertaining to the 3G O&M of the RAN subnetwork.

      3. [Sophia Antipolis ETSI/TMN and TMN5 meeting report] Delegates who attended the Sophia Antipolis February/March ETSI/TMN and TMN5 meeting made verbal reports on these meetings, which included their actions of complete transfer to 3GPP their ongoing and completed work on UMTS management.

    1. The meeting addressed the following inter-organizational issues:

      1. [TMN5 (S5-99038, S5-99040, S5-99054)] The meeting noted TMN5 LS in which TMN5 stated its plan of transferring the group's ongoing and/or completed work on UMTS management to SA5 Morristown meeting. The meeting received ETSI draft Technical Specifications TMN05001 and TMN05002, TMN5's work on UMTS management principles and architecture, and UMTS management physical architecture. The meeting decided to take them as the baselines for the outputs of the SA5 Work Items 1 and 2.

      2. [RAN3 (S5-99041, S5-99043, S5-99044, S5-99045, S5-99046, S5-99047, S5-99052. S5-99053)] The meeting studied RAN3 (O&M AHG) LS in which the RAN3 group made a proposal for a responsibility division between SA5 and RAN3 for 3G RAN sub-network O&M specification accompanied with a specific work plan to be progressed in a phased approach. The meeting also studied RAN3 activities and contributions on RAN O&M issues. The meeting agreed to generally accept the RAN3 proposal regarding matters to be covered in the first phase. However, the meeting felt that deciding on the matters beyond the first phase (as defined in the RAN3 LS) was premature as of now. So, the meeting decided to liaise RAN3 (i) that SA5 also agrees to take the RAN3-proposed RAN O&M architecture as a working assumption; (ii) that SA5 agrees to accept the phase one part of the RAN3-proposed work plan; and (iii) that SA5 would like to wait to see the phase one outcome of the RAN3 O&M requirement analysis as well as waiting for the outcome of SA5 3G management overall architecture. In this discussion, T-Mobil (ETSI) expressed its wish of the company position of not supporting the proposed RAN O&M architecture even as a working assumption to be recorded in the official record although it would not block the SA5 from drawing a general consensus in that direction.

      3. [TSG-SA (S5-99039, S5-99048. S5-99056)] The Convenor's report (S5-99039) from the Fort Lauderdale TSG-SA meeting prompted a few SA5 actions to be taken. In the light of SA discouragement, SA5 decided to revert its #1 WG meeting decision of creating subworking groups for each work items. The meeting also supported the SA resolution of TSGS-(#2)99067 which defined the work responsibility division of SA and other TSGs in the telecom management aspect of the 3G system. Furthermore, recognizing the inter-TSG project coordination responsibility of SA, and noting SA's request for all TSG-SA WGs to examine their terms of references so as to ensure the project coordination role in each WG's aspects to be properly reflected in the WG terms of references. In this context, the meeting agreed to propose to SA a revision (as indicated in S5-99056; =S-(#3)99172) of SA5 terms of reference along this line.

    1. The group addressed organizational and administration issues as follows:

      1. [WG5 WG chairman election (S5-99042)] The meeting has received one registration for the WG chairman nomination. With no other contention, the meeting decided to elect the only candidate, Mr. Albert H. Yuhan of Omnipoint (T1), as the WG chairman of SA5 by acclamation. The Convenor would duly report the election result to TSG-SA. There was no nomination so far registered for the WG vice chairmanship in the meeting. The Convenor announced that the vice chairmanship election of SA5 was called again for the next SA5 meeting.

      2. [WG5 WI Rapporteurs appointment] With the affected delegates' acceptance, Mr. Michael Truss of Motoroal (ETSI) and Mr. Tommy Berggren of Telia Mobile (ETSI) were appointed to the rapporteurs of WI-1 and WI-2, respectively.

    1. The group addressed technical issues pertaining to Work Item 1 and 2 through rapporeteur group discussions led by each WI rapporteurs, and approved the outcomes in the plenary session as follows:

      1. [WI-1 baselining (S5-99050, S#3(99)173)] The meeting noted Omnipoint's contribution S5-99050, in which the network operating staff of Omnipoint compiled their wish items in telecom management so that those wish items can be considered as end-user inputs as the future generation telecom management requirements. The meeting took that input for further study. Furthermore, the meeting decided to adopt ETSI-produced UMTS 21.06 (version 3.0.0) as the baseline of 3GPP output for SA5 Work Item 1, which will be presented for information to April Yokohama #3 meeting of TSG-SA.

      2. [WI-2 baselining (S5-99054, S5-99055, S#3(99)174)] Through the WI2 rapporteur group discussion, the meeting approved to revise some part of ETSI/TMN5-produced TMN 05.002 draft ETSI document and adopted the modified version as the baseline of 3GPP output for SA5 Work Item 2, which will be presented for information to April Yokohama #3 meeting of TSG-SA. The group felt that the issue of standardization technology for 3G TMN specification was critical and decided to concentrate its discussion on this matter in the next SA5 meeting.

      3. [3G charging and business management (S5-99049, S5-99051)] The issue of 3G system charging management, recognized in the previous Sophia Antipolis #1 meeting, was revisited to be examined if it would warrant to be worked on under a possible SA5 new work item. The group felt that the discussion should be made based on a clear service requirement identified by SA1 WG. So the meeting decided to liaise SA1 in which SA5 inquests SA1 to provide SA5 their input regarding this matter.



  1. Request for TSG-SA Actions

The WG requests for TSG-SA actions as follows:

    1. Review and approve this meeting report;

    2. Discuss and approve the proposed change of Terms of Reference of SA5 (Tdoc TSGS#3(99)172);

    3. Accept Tdoc TSGS#3(99)173, presented to TSG-SA for information, as the baseline of SA5 WI-1 output to be put under the SA5 document change control;

    4. Accept Tdoc TSGS#3(99)174, presented to TSG-SA for information, as the baseline of SA5 WI-2 output to be put under the SA5 document change control.



  1. Future Meetings

The WG scheduled its future meeting as follows:

No.

Date

Place

Host

Remarks

#3

4-7/5/1999

Helsinki, Finland

Sonera, LTD




#4

2-4/6/1999

Cambridge, UK

Lucent

Date changed after SA#3

#5

27-30/7/1999

TBD

TBD




#6

31/8-3/9/1999

TBD

TBD




#7

Week of 25/10/1999

TBD

TBD





#8

13-17/12/1999

Same as SA place

Same as SA host

Consecutively with SA

Annex 1

3GPP TSG-SA WG5 (Telecom management) Working Group

#2 Meeting Attendee List

16-18 March Morristown, NJ, USA

N

C

S

Attendee Name

Ind. Mem.

PO

Telephone/Fax

E-mail

P

*

V

Albert H. Yuhan

Omnipoint

T1

1 973 872 5791

1 973 872 5714



Ayuhan@

omnipoint-pcs.com



P




P

Ray Nettleship

Omnipoint

T1

1 973 872 5060

1 973 872 5714



Rnettleship@

omnipoint-pcs.com



P

*




Jean-François Maudoux

CNET

France Telecom



ETSI

33 1 45 29 51 11

33 1 45 29 43 99



Jeanfrancois,maudoux@

cnet.francetelecom.fr



P

*

V

Michael Truss

Motorola U.K.

ETSI

353-21-511327

353-21-357635



Mtruss01@

email.mot.com






*




Deankin Ian

Motorola






Deakini@

cork.cig.mot.com



P

*

V

Andreas Wurzinger

Siemens AG

ETSI

49 30 386 22665

49 30 386 31110



Andreas.wurzinger@

icn.siemens.de












Stan Willemsen

Siemens AG




49 28 71 912231


stan.willemsen@

BCH.siemens.de












Michael Sanders

ETSI

ETSI



Michael.sanders@

etsi.fr





1




Hikuma Akihiro

DoCoMo Europe

ETSI

33 1 56 88 3030


Hikuma@

docomo.fr






1




Koichiro Sawai

NTT DoCoMo




81 468 40 3262


Sawai@

infosys.nttdocomo.co.jp






1




Tsutomu Kunita

NEC Corporation




81 45 939 2452


Kunita@

yh-tss03.ccgw.nec.co.jp






1*




Kiyoshi Hayashi

Fujitsu Limited




81 44 754 4089


Hayashi@

ts.fujitsu.co.jp






1*




Giorgio Ghinamo

CSELT

Telecom Italia









Giorgio.ghinamo@

cselt.it


P

*

V

Tommy Berggren

Telia Mobile AB

ETSI

46 6014 5469

46 6014 5060



Tommy.r.berggren@

telia.se


P

*

V

Thak Patel

Lucent Technologies

ETSI

44 1793 883883

44 1793 883815



Thakpatel@

lucent.com



P

*

V

Jarkko Konola

Sonera Ltd.




358 2040 71202

358 2040 71257



Jarkko.konola@

sonera.fi






*




Kimmo Kakko

Sonera Ltd.




358 400 686 437


Kimmo.kakko@

sonera.fi



P

*

V

Steffen Weichselbaum

Mannesmann MG

ETSI

49172330993592

49172330993804



Steffen.weichselbaum@

d2privat.de






1




Yeong Chung Han

LG Information & Communications

TTA

82 343 450 2064

Ychan@

lgic.co.kr



P

*

V

Nenner Karl-Heinz

T-Mobil

ETSI

49 228 936 3343

49 228 936 3329



karl-heinz.nenner@

t-mobil.de



P

*

V

Gaetano Cicchitto

Italtel

ETSI

39 02 4388 6338

39 02 4388 6550



Gaetano.cicchittto@

italtel.it



P

*

V

Prasid Shah

NEC Tech. U.K.

ETSI

44 1753 606923

44 1753 606901



Shah@isd-nec.co.uk

P




P

Joanna Guenin

Motorola

T1

1 847 576 3517

1 847 538 7455



Joannag@comm.mot.com

P

*

V

John Mudge

Vodafone Ltd.

ETSI

44 1635 673587

44 1635 583569



John.mudge@vf.vodafone.co.uk

P

*

V

Ulf Hubinette

L.M. Ericsson

ETSI

46 1328 4891

46 1328 4758



ulf.hubinette@epk.ericsson.se

























Note (all information is valid as of the end of the last SA5 meeting):

  1. Delegates marked as "P" in column N attended the Morristown meeting.

  2. Shaded Column C (Counting), only one for each IM, carries information of the IM company’s voting status in SA5 as of the end of the Morristown meeting, where

* for a perfect state; 0 for a pending state becoming perfect effective the next meeting; I > 0 for count of the last consecutive delinquencies of a good standing SA5 member IM; + for officially SA5 non-member state; Participation by any representative of an IM is counted as the IM’s presence.

  1. Column S (Status), indicates voting status of the delegate for his/her IM, where

V for primary voting delegate, A for alternate voting delegate, and P for non-voting participant.

Annex 2

3GPP TSG-SA WG5 (Telecom management) Working Group

Agenda of Morristown (#2) meeting

16th - 18th March 1999

Morristown, NJ, USA
1. Call to order (9:00am, 16 March)

2. Participant registration

3. Document registration and attribution

4. Agenda approval

5. IPR disclosure

6. Reports

6.1 Fort Lauderdale TSG meeting report

6.2 Report from informal meeting with RAN3 O&M AHG

6.3 Other meeting reports

7. Discussions and Decisions on inter-organizational issues

8. Discussions and decisions on organization and administration issues

8.1 Election of WG leadership (Voting may be required)

8.2 Creation of SWGs

8.3 New work items

8.4 Other organizational/administrative issues

9. Discussions and decisions on technical issues

9.1 3G TMN principles and architecture

9.2 3G telecom management requirements

9.3 3G business and service management framework

9.4 Other technical issues

10. Discussions and decisions on other business

11. Meeting scheduling

12. Adjournment (18 March)

Annex 3

Log of Morristown (#2) meeting documents

3GPP TSG-SA WG5 (Telecom management) Working Group

16th - 18th March 1999

Morristown, NJ, USA


Tdoc

Title

Source

Status

S5-99036

Proposed Agenda for Meeting #2 (Morristown, 16 - 18 March, 1999)

Convenor

revised - see S5-99037

S5-99037

Proposed revised (1) Agenda for TSG-SA5 Morristown (#2) meeting

Convenor

approved

S5-99038

LS from ETSI/TMN5: Reply to your Information Request on UMTS Management

TMN5

noted

S5-99039

Report from Fort Lauderdale TSG-SA #2 meeting on SA5 business

Convenor

noted

S5-99040

ETSI Draft Technical Specification TMN05001

Motorola

for study – taken as baseline

S5-99041

LS from RAN3: Proposal for Iub Interface O&M Work Item and amendment of TSG-RAN Terms of Reference

RAN 3 ad hoc

noted

s5-99042

Nomination of Albert Yuhan for position of TSG-SA WG5 chairman

Omnipoint

noted

s5-99043

Proposal for Iub Interface O&M Work Item and amendment of TSG-RAN Terms of Reference

RAN WG3 (R3 99153)

noted

s5-99044

New Proposal for amendment of TSG-RAN terms of reference

RAN WG3 (R3 99154)

noted

s5-99045

Proposed Changes to S3.01 RAN Overall Description relating to Node B O&M

Vodafone (R3 990155)

noted

s5-99046

Proposed Document Structure for Node B O&M Logical Model

Vodafone (R3 990156)

noted

s5-99047

S3.01 RAN Overall Description

Editor (Nortel) (R3 99108)

noted

s5-99048

TSG-SA decision on 3G Network Management standardization

Convenor

noted

s5-99049

Draft liaison statement to 3GPP TSG-SA WG1 on Charging Requirements for 3G Systems

S5

revised - see s5-99051

s5-99050

Operational concerns in network operation

Omnipoint

noted

s5-99051

Liaison Statement to 3GPP TSG-SA WG1 on Charging Requirements for 3G Systems

S5

approved

s5-99052

Draft response to the Proposal for Iub Interface O&M Work Item and amendment of TSG-RAN Terms of Reference

S5

revised - see s5-99053

s5-99053

Response to the Proposal for Iub Interface O&M Work Item and amendment of TSG-RAN Terms of Reference

S5

approved

s5-99054

TMN 05.002 (V0.0.3): Telecommunications Management Network Universal Mobile Telecommunication System Management Physical Architecture.

ETSI

for study – taken as baseline

s5-99055

Modification to Figure 2 of Tdoc S5-99054 (Physical Architecture)

Motorola

approved with minor modif.

s5-99056

Terms of reference of 3GPP/TSGS/WG5

Convenor

approved














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